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I've been seeing reports of a general overproduction of electronic parts and buildup of stock - Intel being one of the companies whose stock price got hit hard because of the overstock. Is AMD going through much the same? And will this lead to price reductions beyond the ones listed for August?
Both AMD and Intel are mentioning their dual core cpu options - which seems the most promising and which do you think will make it into production first?
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well, since Intel is pushing dual core because AMD kicked their behind in raw processing power, Heres hoping amd can cram 2 fx chips onto a single piece of silicon and get it to market first
That would really put a dent in the buttocks of Intel.
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Today, Sun was supposed to demo an 8x dual core opteron system. (don't remember if it was 4 cpu or 8 cpu.. ) We won't get to buy such systems (or cpus ) until next year.. but AMD actually has working samples out there..
Has anyone seen a writeup on the actual demonstration? (All I saw was a teaser that it was going to happen).
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Here's AMDZone's writeup on AMD's demo of a quad cpu system with dual dies per cpu. The 90nm dual die is evidently just a tiny bit larger than the current 130nm and they're claiming it's heat output is still under the 95watts max of the current Opteron line.
Sounds like the ultimate gaming machines by the end of next year will be multi-socket 939pin or 940pin motherboards with dual die cpus .. and a set of high end SLI video cards. (ouch..
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sorry to dredge this up from the stone age, but I was reading an article today and thought this was the most appropriate place to post this to.
It seems more information is forthcoming regarding the various implementations of dual cope cpus from intel and amd. It seems AMD is intent on sticking with the current on die memory controller. so this could possibly hamper the speed of processing, considering 2 processor dies will be sharing a single channel to memory, but remember, to get rid of this would require multiple controllers, and likely require populating 4 dimm sockets to even get a system to power up. Another factor being discussed recently is socket compatibility. It seems that AMD is shooting for socket 939 to be compatible with current designs and chipsets, So the next question begging for an answer will be how much power is required, and which boards on the market will be able to handle the draw. Will this also have an effect on power supply standards, just imagine the appetite for power with a system having a dual core processor, perhaps a pair of 6800 video cards running in sli, along with the regular heavy draw of multiple drives etc....
Still a lot of unanswered questions for dual core processors, let alone the whole 32/64 bit windows thing, It's still too early to tell whats going to happen, and how things will settle out. Me personally, I think I am going to wait it out a bit to see where its all headed.
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On the other hand, while all the interest is in the higher end of the Athlon 64 bit realm, theres lots of bargains in the 754 pin realm - and plenty of research on how to setup a reliable and overclockable 754 pin machine.
We're still waiting to see what the second phase of the 90nm Athlon 64 production is going to bring, as well. And then dual cores..
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quote: 've been seeing reports of a general overproduction of electronic parts and buildup of stock - Intel being one of the companies whose stock price got hit hard because of the overstock. Is AMD going through much the same?
Semprons...sort of like the speculation on the Applebred durons...
They binned the poor performers for a rainy day, relabel them & VOILA...new product line...thats my take on the situation...
I will probably not be heading into the A64 line until there is some maturity reached, and I have some more $$$
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There's a chart on the dual core Opterons and their voltages, frequencies, and heat here.
We'll probably end up with something similar for the dual core Athlon 64s..
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95w for TWO 2400MHz cores! Wow! That is amazing! And they only need 1.35v... Seems like AMD is absolutely eating up the 90nm goodness!
I CANNOT wait until DualCore 939's make it to the market... I long for MP once again.
I still have my BP6 Dual-Celery board (RIP ) and i loved the smoothness of that system. For most desktop users, dualcore is completely useless other than smoothness and the ability to keep operating even if a process has one core locked up.
With all of this dual-core goodness from both camps, i think that starting in '06, alot more software will be written for HT/MP/Dual Core chips. Hopefully game engine makers will realize that there will soon be a huge amount of performance unleased on everyones desktops that will be needing a purpose.
I think an NF4 SLI board, Dual Core CPU, and Twin Video cards will be in order for me this fall .
Now to start saving the cash for something as outlandish as that...
How much do you all think the dual core chips will bring? Less than Two CPU's of the same speed? Same as Two of the same speed, or More than two of the same speed? I am not real sure what price range they will shoot for. Possibly price it like an FX?
Either way...i cant wait for DualCore!!!
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just bear in mind that the whole dual video cards thing is relative. think about the cost of video cards, so if say you started out with a single card, you spent $350 or more on, and decided 1 year later to add another identical card for say $250, which sounds reasonable, until you think about how often the cards are updated. this past generation just released was over a 100% improvement from the previous generation, so if you were going to add a second card at a later date, you might be better off just going for the next generation of card, which would yield even higher performance benefits than adding that second card we all thought was such a great idea in the first place. It was this sort of logic that got the voodoo camp into trouble
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