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NOTE: This Vdimm Mod is for Rev 1.X and 2.X boards only. The power supply circuit may be different on other Rev boards....

If you do this mod, your doing it at your own risk. The Rebels Haven Computer Forum will not be responsible for damaged systems or components... If your unsure about the mods, I strongly suggest you do not implement them...

The Vdimm adjust in the BIOS, only allows 2.8Vdimm. As this is hardly enough for todays highest performance memory, here is a modification to increase the Vdimm voltage. The Vdimm can be measured at the lead I have labeled on this Inductor that has the reference designation "L6". The return or ground lead of the DMM, can go to any ground or the "shell" of the I/O connectors...

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The Epox-9NDA3+ Vdimm power supply, uses a 1 phase step-down switching regulator for maximum efficiency. The PWM chip is a RT9202B It's a 8 pin IC and has the referance designation of "U7":

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The Switching Regulator circuit is a typical, but state-of-the-art, Synchronous Rectifier, 1 phase circuit.

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This is the chip that we are going to add a resistor to:

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The resistor that will be added to increase the Vdimm, is to be connected from pin 6 to pin 3 which is ground. I placed a white dot next to pin 1. The pins are numbered counterclockwise...


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I tested various resistors and here's what each yields:

22,000 ohm raises Vdimm 0.07V
11,000 ohm raises Vdimm 0.14V
9,000 ohm raises Vdimm 0.18V

So a stardard:
10,000 ohm resistor will raise the Vdimm 0.15V
7,500 ohm resistor will raise the Vdimm 0.20V


As with all mods, your doing this all at your own risk. I can't guarantee this mod won't fry your board, memory and/or CPU....

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Ok, I successfully did the mod.

I soldered a 10K OHm resister to the termals and it works!! I also removed the grabbers for the Vcore mod and soldered a 10K OHm one there to.

I was not able to use the grabbers for the Vdimm mod.

So this was my first adventure in soldering. I never knew how blind I was till I started trieng to solder that resister to the IC.

I took pics with the new camera I had to buy my Old 1.3MP just didn't cut it. I picked up a 3.2 and it barley focus's on the job.

looks like I have 2.92 Vdimm for my max voltage.
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This is what it took for me to do the mod.

1-Tool kit Part # 64-2987 15.00
The tweezers and magnifying where the deciding factors.

1-butain powered soldering Iron Part # 64-2188 19.99

1-Package of 5 10K OHm resisters Part # 271-1335 .99

1-silver bearing solder.015dia 62/36/2
Part # 64-035E 3.99

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I took some measurments off the DMM during boot/post and reboot and under full load the Voltage was steady no spikes no flucuations.

With the bios set to 2.6V the DMM reads 2.78 the bios reads 2.75 and the USDM reads 2.752

looks good.

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You got it!!!

What I do with very small parts like this is 1st, cut the leads and form them to where they go. I then "tin" the ends of the resistor and try to leave a little solder ball on the ends...

Then I hold the resistor in place while heating the resistor lead until it flows to the IC lead...

Be aware that the IC can be easly damaged with too much heat... If it takes more then 5 to 10 seconds, stop and try after a while...

I have an old circular, floresent desk lamp that has a large magnifing glass in it. I'd be lost without it.... [Big Grin]

Great job!!!

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@ Bypolar, have you noticed any higher memory speed ability with the Vdimm mod in...?

Also, I noticed your comment over at AOA Forums about what's-his-name using a 100K or 50K pot and your using 10K...

What they are doing is putting in a very large variable resistor(a pot) and adjusting it down to where it increases the voltage(10K)...

What I did is calculate the correct resistor and then tried them, to confirm the increase...
They don't know how to calculate the values...

Either method gets you there....

EDIT: The problem with just a pot is that you can adjust to zero and that frys something like a CPU or Memory modules... [Eek!]

The better method is to have a "stopper" resistor in series with the pot so that it can't be adjusted to zero...

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My Vdimm mod is installed.... [Smile] 10K gives me 0.18V The calculated value for +0.20V was 7.7K....


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Bypolar, when you say you couldn't use the Pomona Grabbers for the mod on that 8-pin chip, you mean they will work it's just that you didn't try it?
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Bypolar, when you say you couldn't use the Pomona Grabbers for the mod on that 8-pin chip, you mean they will work it's just that you didn't try it?
The grabbers I have from Radio shack where to large to fit on the pins.

Maybe some Original grabbers would do the trick.

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I have the original grabbers and they should fit; I know they fit the legs of darn near any chip. I guess the VDIMM mod is similar to the P4C800-D.

BTW, what version board are you using ByPolar? Rev. 2.x?

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I am using the first version of the board. if you get the clips to work, take a pic and let us see.

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It's time to get a little more sophisticated and provide a way of adjusting the Vdimm.

What we're going to do is put a 3K resistor in series with a 20K, 10 turn pot. That gives us a minimum Vdimm increase of +0.1V. The maximun could be over 3.3Volts... One must be careful with running higher voltages on any component, and some active cooling is preferred...

Here is a picture of what to do with a 20K pot. You need to get a 3K resistor also... The 3K resistor provides a "stop" so that the Vdimm regulator doesn't go to 5V out!

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I've set the adjustment to add +0.3V to the BIOS Vdimm setting. That way with the BIOS at 2.9V, memory is getting 3.1V. On the low end, with the BIOS set for 2.5V, I feed 2.8V to the memory... And I can always back all the way off on the pot and only add +0.1V to the BIOS setting.... Works nicely....

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I have the pots with Pomona grabbers I used for the VDIMM mod on the P4C800-D, where I use a 10k pot. I tried and these grabbers fit this chip.

Now you say it's dangerous with the pot, but as long as I have the pot set all the way to the left (for me): maximum resistence, it's OK to use as long as I move up slowly and check VDIMM?

I want to get this straight so I don't fry the board.

But the S939 boards run BH-5 poorly, or any CAS2 ram for that matter. I'm wondering whether it's worth it. And does the VTT track 1/2 the VDIMM? Is anyone running BH-5 at 3.2 volts benching 3D OK?

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